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30 March 2005

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Comments

Kat

"feminist rhetoric": All that silly female stuff men simply don't want to hear.

Eli

Like you said, people who have power don't want to give it up. As embarasing as it is, it is specially true for liberal white men. Because before they are liberal, they are white men. Before they are white men, they are men.

Conservative men don't seem to have the same issue with sharing power with conservative women. That may be because both groups are in lock-step position on all the issues. Liberals have a tendancy to allow more disagreement on issues.

Ken C.

off-putting feminist rhetoric: " "feminist rhetoric": All that silly female stuff men simply don't want to hear"

Amanda

Good god, someone take his shovel away from him. He just digs and digs and digs.

Kat

Apparently my sarcasm is way too covert.

Christie

Christina Hoff Sommers and the amazing "framing" of feminism into two completely imaginary camps: The so-called equity feminists (good, they just want equality), and the so-called gender feminists (bad, they want to steal your daughter's minds - AKA "academic feminists" because they have infiltrated our colleges).

How it looks to me is that "equity" means we try to get treated equally, but we never, ever actually discuss or think about WHY we aren't already. And heaven forbid we ever put an academic, historical, economic, philisophical, or religious analyis on women's issues. Just focus on equal pay and don't think too hard. That's a good girl.

susan

I'm delurking (I know this is the wrong post, but nevertheless) to second Christie's comment & to add that the most beloved equity feminists are the ones who complacently say "We're already pretty much there. Yes, women don't make quite as much as men, but isn't it great that we at least have the opportunity to point that out?" And women are so much prettier when they smile & aren't shrill. . . .

notway

e.g. feminist rhetoric:

Andrea Dworkin: all heterosexual intercourse is rape;

Catherine MacKinnon: Speech must be controlled to prevent "subordinating" depictions of women and minorities.

(supply your own examples)

Lisa

Dworkin never said that: check http://www.snopes.com/quotes/mackinno.htm

notway

Well, I looked it up, and there are plenty of examples of Dworkin talking about the "violence" of penetrative heterosexual intercourse. She wrote a book about it, titled "Intercourse."

So, the biological process that led to your existance (unless your origin is "in vitro") was given an book-length theoretical critique by Dworkin. lol

Personally, I think the fact that such a whacko can make a living off of such kooky stuff is a great thing. Hey, even the craziest ideas can make us think: doesn't mean the ideas aren't crazy.

MacKinnon, as a more presentable ally of the right-wingers, is more dangerous.

This is academic feminism.

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