Intellectual Inconsistency

For the record, I don't believe people should be held in prisons without being charged with a crime whether they're U.S. Marines OR Gitmo detainees. But then it's not my vocation to wind up people just so I can line my own pockets.
 

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Does Michelle forget the fact that when you are in the armed forces, that you temporarily forfeit constitutional rights? They have their own court system... doesn't that give her a clue?

She is inconsistent... which is why I avoid reading her stuff. Whatever fancies her at the moment is what she will rant about.

[Mark]

dang, the above was me... for some reason sometimes my info is remembered, other times it isn't. Should have checked before making a comment lol :D

[doghouse riley]

Jeez, it's not like you need a rough understanding of legal precedent here, along the lines of "shouting fire in a crowded theater" or "fruit of the poisoned tree" or some other concept that might require the layman to watch Law & Order for six months. The military exemption to Amendment V is right there in the freakin' amendment.

[Kevin T. Keith]

What are they even complaining about? Pre-trial detention is a standard feature of every legal system in the world, including the civilian criminal systems throughout the United States at the state and federal levels.

When you're arrested before a trial, you're locked up until the trial. First you're held for arraignment, and after arraignment you're held for trial. If you're lucky, you may be given the opportunity to post bail. If the charges are serious enough, or you can't make bail, you stay in jail until the trial. That's the way it works (and for obvious reasons). That's the way it's working for these guys - there's nothing unusual about it.

These guys are facing possible murder charges. Murder suspects rarely get bail, because the temptation to flee is too great (the penalty for murder is worse than the penalty for jumping bail, so bail is not a deterrent to fleeing if you know you're likely to lose the trial). I don't know if bail is even an option in the military legal system. At any rate, holding suspects before indictment, and then before trial, is standard practice.

It's interesting that, suddenly, there's all this concern for prison conditions. These people are being treated no worse than pre-trial prisoners in any other part of the criminal system, military or civilian, but we've heard no complaints from the right wing about prison conditions before this. We've heard no sympathy for families who do not get visiting time with suspects in civilian prisons. We've heard no worries over the constitutionality of months- or years-long waits for trial. I suspect military prisons are actually more comfortable than most civilian ones; at the least, they're less crowded. If these people are convinced that conditions in military prison are so bad, perhaps they'd like their family members to spend their pre-trial waiting time on Rikers' Island, as thousands and thousands of civilians from New York alone do every day? If not, then these suspected murderers can wait for arraignment and trial in their clean and uncrowded cells, just like every other suspect, and more comfortably than most.

[Nomad]

Seeing as how she's the lowest of low, does that mean we can go back to her ping-pong ball thing? I really don't understand why I should respect her as a human, attack her for her ideology and lack of intellect, point out the inconsistentcies of her character, when all of that is beyond her understanding. Ping-Pong and Thai whore jokes are as low-brow as we can go, but it's still more than she understands. But at least with them, she FEELS insulted.

[osiris]

US MARINES CODE OF CONDUCT ARTICLE VI:
I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free.